Safe rounds for Defense and Kicker picks

My biggest issue in fantasy is the best rounds to start focusing on my Defense and kicker picks. Anybody have a rule of thumb on these 2 positions?

last two haha… Especially for a kicker.

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Pretty much the last two rounds you get get away with and be fine

In a draft sometimes even not at all. You can stream these positions as effectively as bringing in a top tier at the positions.

But I’d say no earlier than last three rounds.